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My Response To Dianaismyrealname
This post is in response to Dianaismyrealname who made the comment under the thread of my last post:DianaismyrealnameJanuary 5, 2018 at 11:50 AMDear Diana,
Thankyou for proving my point. Instead of acknowledging that baptized people are ontologically and substantially different to the unbaptized, you argue that it is RIGHT to treat the baptized and unbaptized the same!
Here's a bit from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
"Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, are incorporated into the Church and made sharers in her mission: "Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration through water in the word" CCC1213
Sounds like something has changed, doesn't it?
So when we hear the catechists saying "There is nothing good in you! Nothing - Only selfishness and sin!", we know they are wrong, as we have "put on Christ" through baptism, and bear Christ in our hearts.
This is the main difference between the attitude of the NCW and the attitude of the Church. They are not the same.
The NCW takes practicing Catholics from the pews - the same people who are reverent, formed by the sacraments, living in grace - and tells them that everything they knew about God was an error, and that they need to be "undone" by going back down into the font of baptism, where the "new man", in the image of Kiko's own existential moment, can be made.
This is essentially a denial of Christ.
By the way, do you remember the prayer for the dead in the Eucharistic prayer (III, I think)?
"To our departed brothers and sisters
and to all who were pleasing to you
at their passing from this life,"
Why would the Church say "our departed brothers and sisters" and then a separate reference to "who were pleasing to you at their passing from this life"?
If even the pagans are our brothers and sisters, why the distinction?
It is because the pagans are not "children of God", as we are, because they are not baptized. While they are certainly "creatures of God", they have not yet been adopted into his family.
So, the NCW needs to understand that when they treat the baptized as if they are unbaptized, they deny Christ.
First of all, do not put words in my mouth. I never said that the baptized are to be treated the same as the pagans (who are not baptized). This is what I stated:
If you are a Christian, you would have known that even the pagans are our brothers and sisters. Why? Because all mankind were created in the image and likeness of God. The Apostle Paul also called the pagans in Athens "brothers."What I stated comes from the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Holy Bible. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (the bold is mine):
CCC 842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:
All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331
The Church bonds herself with non-Christian religions because the human race forms one community. All of humanity were created in God's image and likeness. This is what makes us brothers and sisters, but NOT brothers and sisters in Christ.....only brothers and sisters in humanity. In addition, the Apostle Paul called the pagans in Athens "children of God". According to the Holy Bible (the bold is mine):
Acts 17:22-29 Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: “People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship—and this is what I am going to proclaim to you. “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. For in him we live and move and have our being.’[fn] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’[fn] “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill.
As anyone can see in Sacred Scripture, St. Paul called the pagans in Athens "offsprings (children)" of God. It is through our humanity that the Church bonds herself with the pagans because all humanity was created in God's image and likeness. The difference between the Christians and the pagans is that the Christians received the Holy Spirit while the pagans did not.
It was through our baptism that we received the Holy Spirit, but this does not mean that we are no longer sinners. Conversion is a process, not a one time deal. Through our baptism we received the Holy Spirit so that we are incorporated into God's family, the Church, and into His kingdom as Heirs. When we were baptized as babies, the Original Sin was removed. Yet, as we grow older, we did not remain sinless. We are still sinners. And so, the Catechism of the Catholic Church stated that we need a POST-baptism, which is what the Neocatechumenal Way is about. According to the Catechism (the bold is mine):
CCC 1231 Where infant Baptism has become the form in which this sacrament is usually celebrated, it has become a single act encapsulating the preparatory stages of Christian initiation in a very abridged way. By its very nature infant Baptism requires a post-baptismal catechumenate. Not only is there a need for instruction after Baptism, but also for the necessary flowering of baptismal grace in personal growth. The catechism has its proper place here.
According to the Statutes of the Neocatechumenal Way (Article 1, Section 3) (the bold is mine):
§ 3. The Neocatechumenal Way, endowed with public juridical personality,2 is composed of an ensemble of spiritual goods:3 1st. the “Neocatechumenate,”4 or a post-baptismal catechumenate,5 in accordance with the form described in Title II
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